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Г“Г¦Г Г±, ГЄГ ГЄГ®Г© ГўГ·ГҐГ°Г ГЎГ»Г« Г Г¦ГЁГ®ГІГ Г¦ ГГ "ГЂГ¤Г¬ГЁГ°Г Г«Г ". Shocked

Гџ ГГҐ ГЇГ®ГЇГ Г«Г , ГІГ ГЄ ГЄГ ГЄ ГЇГ°ГЁГёГ«Г ГіГ¦ГҐ Г®ГЄГ®Г«Г® Г¤ГҐГ±ГїГІГЁ ГўГҐГ·ГҐГ°Г . Г‡Г Г« ГЎГ»Г« ГЇГ®Г«Г®Г-ГЇГ®Г«Г®Г. Г‘ГІГ®ГїГ«Г Г®Г·ГҐГ°ГҐГ¤Гј Гў Г·ГҐГ«Г®ГўГҐГЄ Г¤ГўГ Г¤Г¶Г ГІГј, ГГ Г°Г®Г¤ Г§Г ГЄГіГЇГ Г«Г±Гї ГЎГЁГ«ГҐГІГ Г¬ГЁ ГГ Г¤Г°ГіГЈГЁГҐ ГґГЁГ«ГјГ¬Г» Г±ГҐГ ГГ±Г» ГГ Г¤Г°ГіГЈГЁГҐ Г¤ГГЁ. Гџ ГЇГ®Г«ГіГ·ГЁГ«Г Г±ГўГ®Г© ГЎГҐГ±ГЇГ«Г ГІГГ»Г© ГЇГ Г±Г± ГЁ ГІГ®Г¦ГҐ ГЄГіГЇГЁГ«Г ГЎГЁГ«ГҐГІГ» ГГ ГўГ®Г±ГЄГ°ГҐГ±ГҐГГјГҐ ГГ "ГЂГ¤Г¬ГЁГ°Г Г«Г ". ГЏГ®-Г¬Г®ГҐГ¬Гі. ГГ ГГҐГЈГ® ГіГ¦ГҐ Г±ГҐГ©Г·Г Г± ГўГ±ГҐ ГЎГЁГ«ГҐГІГ» Г°Г Г±ГЄГіГЇГ«ГҐГГ». Г’Г ГЄ Г·ГІГ®, ГЄГІГ® ГЁГГІГҐГ°ГҐГ±ГіГҐГІГ±Гї, ГЄГіГЇГЁГІГҐ Г§Г Г°Г ГГҐГҐ.

ГЌГ Г±Г·ГҐГІ "ГЏГ Г±Г±Г Г¦ГЁГ°ГЄГЁ" ГЇГ°ГҐГ¤ГіГЇГ°ГҐГ¦Г¤Г Г«ГЁ Гў ГЄГ Г±Г±ГҐ, Г·ГІГ® ГўГ°ГїГ¤ Г«ГЁ ГЎГіГ¤ГіГІ ГЇГ®ГЄГ Г§Г»ГўГ ГІГј ГЅГІГ®ГІ ГґГЁГ«ГјГ¬ ГўГ®Г®ГЎГ№ГҐ - Г·ГІГ®-ГІГ® ГІГ Г¬ ГГҐ ГІГ® Г± ГЄГ®ГЇГЁГҐГ©, ГЄГ®ГІГ®Г°ГіГѕ ГЇГ°ГЁГўГҐГ§Г«ГЁ Гў ГЏГ Г°ГЁГ¦.

ГЏ.Г‘. Гў ГЏГјГҐГ°ГҐ ГЉГ Г°Г¤ГҐГГҐ ГЎГ»Г«Г® ГЈГ®Г°Г Г§Г¤Г® Г«ГіГ·ГёГҐ ГўГ±ГҐ Г®Г°ГЈГ ГГЁГ§Г®ГўГ ГГ®.

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Zabougornov

Г‚Г±Вё Г·ГІГ® ГЇГЁГёГҐГІ ГЅГІГ®ГІ Double Bind ГЄГ ГЄ ГЎГ» ГІГ®ГЈГ®.....ГГҐ Г±Г®ГўГ±ГҐГ¬ ГўГҐГ°ГГ®.
Idiot savant or Savantism - ГГҐ ГїГўГ«ГїГҐГІГ±Гї ГЇГ°ГЁГ§ГГ ГГ»Г¬ Г¤ГЁГ ГЈГГ®Г§Г®Г¬

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_savant#cite_note-TreffertFAQ-0
"Savant syndromeвЂ”sometimes abbreviated as savantismвЂ”is not a recognized medical diagnosis, but researcher Darold Treffert defines it as a rare condition in which persons with developmental disorders (including autism spectrum disorders) have one or more areas of expertise, ability or brilliance that are in contrast with the individual's overall limitations.[1]"

http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/savant_syndrome/frequently_asked_questions
What is the relationship of savant syndrome to IQ?

When Dr. Down originally named the condition idiot savant, he linked its name with a classification of IQ of less than 25, but almost all reported cases have occurred in persons with an IQ above 40. However a low measured IQ score, or 'mental retardation' either as a symptom or separate disorder, is not what determines whether a person is or is not a savant. Instead the term savant syndrome encompasses a number of different mental disabilities including, but not limited to, the separate disorder of mental retardation itself. When applied to savant syndrome, the term 'mental disability' can include disorders as Autism, Asperger's, Hyperlexia or Williams Syndrome, for example. In some of these persons measured IQ can be normal or even superior, although when that is the case, usually the IQ sub-scores show a wide scatter among the various sub-tests that make up the overall IQ test battery with some sub-tests showing severe limitations and other showing extremely high scores. Thus a low IQ score, while often present in savant syndrome, is not necessarily the case in all instances, and it is not a finding essential or requisite to savant syndrome. Some savants do score in the normal or superior range on commonly used IQ tests, or at least on some of the sub-tests that make up the overall IQ test battery.

ГЌГ Г±Г·ВёГІ Г®ГЎГ№ГҐГ© ГіГ¬Г±ГІГўГҐГГГ®Г© Г®ГІГ±ГІГ Г«Г®Г±ГІГЁ - ГІГ®Г¦ГҐ ГГҐ ГґГ ГЄГІ, ГўГ±Вё ГЈГ®Г°Г Г§Г¤Г® Г±Г«Г®Г¦ГГҐГҐ:

"Savant syndrome is poorly understood. There is no cognitive theory that explains the combination of talent and deficit found in savants."

http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/savant_syndrome/frequently_asked_questions
What is the relationship of savant syndrome to IQ?

When Dr. Down originally named the condition idiot savant, he linked its name with a classification of IQ of less than 25, but almost all reported cases have occurred in persons with an IQ above 40. However a low measured IQ score, or 'mental retardation' either as a symptom or separate disorder, is not what determines whether a person is or is not a savant. Instead the term savant syndrome encompasses a number of different mental disabilities including, but not limited to, the separate disorder of mental retardation itself. When applied to savant syndrome, the term 'mental disability' can include disorders as Autism, Asperger's, Hyperlexia or Williams Syndrome, for example. In some of these persons measured IQ can be normal or even superior, although when that is the case, usually the IQ sub-scores show a wide scatter among the various sub-tests that make up the overall IQ test battery with some sub-tests showing severe limitations and other showing extremely high scores. Thus a low IQ score, while often present in savant syndrome, is not necessarily the case in all instances, and it is not a finding essential or requisite to savant syndrome. Some savants do score in the normal or superior range on commonly used IQ tests, or at least on some of the sub-tests that make up the overall IQ test battery.

IQ is a measure of so-called 'general intelligence'. While some scatter is common in most persons on the sub-tests of the IQ test battery, sub-test scores do tend to cluster in certain ranges for a given individual producing, when averaged, an overall 'general' intelligence score, or IQ. That IQ score does tend to be correlated with a general level of overall intellectual functioning. But the very wide scatter of abilities seen in some savants on the IQ sub-scores, which is much more pronounced than in most persons, has raised the question of whether it would be more accurate to view all persons as a series of multiple intelligences, rather than having what has been designated general intelligence, or IQ. Indeed some investigators view savants as refuting the notion of 'general intelligence' and argue, instead, that each of us have multiple intelligences and testing & measurement of "IQ" in all persons should be revised to reflect that reality.

Further, in viewing 'mental retardation' one needs to differentiate between 'actual' retardation (measured IQ below 70) and 'functional' retardation. The latter can occur in someone with seemingly normal or even superior intellectual capacity whose mental disability, from whatever etiology, causes them to function at a much lower level over all than one might expect from estimated or even measured IQ. It is not uncommon to see some autistic persons, for example, function at a superior level in some areas such as mathematics, verbal skills or memory, but be so severely disabled in other areas so as to 'function' at much lower level overall. The present IQ sub-tests, such as digit span, for example, are not sufficiently tailored to realistically assess certain areas of superior function in savants, and do need to be revised and tailored accordingly to be able to get a true measure of savant capabilities for comparative studies in the area of 'intelligence'.

In summary, measured IQ levels in savant syndrome most often are below 70. However while savant syndrome can occur in persons where Mental Retardation is the basic CNS disorder, savant syndrome can also be seen in persons with IO's below 70 as a finding or symptom where the basic developmental disorder is instead Autism, Asperger's, Hyperlexia, PDD or Williams Syndrome, for example, or a number of other conditions following CNS injury or disease. While it is true that in most persons with savant syndrome measured IQ is below 70, savant syndrome includes a number of mental disorders in which IQ function, in scattered areas of functioning at least, can be normal or even superior. In short, savant syndrome is not synonymous with, nor limited to mental retardation, and in some persons with savant syndrome IQ can be in the normal, or even superior range.

Г„Г Г«ГҐГҐ, ГЎГ»Г« Г®Г Г¤ГҐГўГ±ГІГўГҐГГГЁГЄГ®Г¬ ГЁГ«ГЁ ГГҐГІ, Г¤Г® 30-ГІГЁ Г«ГҐГІ ГЁГ«ГЁ Г¤Г® 40-Г Г«ГҐГІ, ГЄГ ГЄГ Гї Г°Г Г§ГГЁГ¶Г ? ГЉГ ГЄГ Гї Г±ГўГїГ§Гј Г± ГіГ¬Г±ГІГўГҐГГГ®Г© Г®ГІГ±ГІГ Г«Г®Г±ГІГјГѕ? ГЊГ®Г¦ГҐГІ Г®Г ГЇГ°Г®Г±ГІГ® Г¦ГҐГГ№ГЁГ ГГҐ ГЇГ°ГЁГўГ«ГҐГЄГ Г« Гў Г±ГЁГ«Гі Г®Г±Г®ГЎГҐГГГ®Г±ГІГҐГ© Г±ГўГ®ГҐГЈГ® ГµГ Г°Г ГЄГІГҐГ°Г , ГЇГ«Г®ГµГ®ГЈГ® Г«ГЁ, ГµГ®Г°Г®ГёГҐГЈГ® Г«ГЁ, ГЅГЄГ±Г¶ГҐГГІГ°ГЁГ·ГГ®ГЈГ® ГЁГ«ГЁ ГГҐГІ. ГЋГІГЄГіГ¤Г ГўГ»ГўГ®Г¤ Г®ГЎ ГіГ¬Г±ГІГўГҐГГГ®Г© Г®ГІГ±ГІГ Г«Г®Г±ГІГЁ?
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Г‡Г ГГіГ¤Г . Laughing

ГЌГ® Гї Г± ГІГ®ГЎГ®Г© Г±Г®ГЈГ«Г Г±ГГ . ГЌГҐ Г¤ГЁГ ГЈГГ®Г§ ГЅГІГ® Гў Г¬ГҐГ¤ГЁГ¶ГЁГГ±ГЄГ®Г¬ Г±Г¬Г»Г±Г«ГҐ Г±Г«Г®ГўГ . ГЌГ® ГЄГ ГЄ Г¬ГГҐ ГЄГ Г¦ГҐГІГ±Гї, ГўГ±ГҐ-ГІГ ГЄГЁ, ГГҐГЄГ®ГІГ®Г°Г Гї ГЇГ ГІГ®Г«Г®ГЈГЁГї Г«ГЁГ·ГГ®Г±ГІГЁ ГГ ГЎГ«ГѕГ¤Г ГҐГІГ±Гї, Г·ГІГ® Г±ГІГҐГ±Г±ГГ®, Г± ГіГ¬Г±ГІГўГҐГГГ®Г© Г®ГІГ±ГІГ Г«Г®Г±ГІГјГѕ ГГЁГ·ГҐГЈГ® Г®ГЎГ№ГҐГЈГ® ГГҐ ГЁГ¬ГҐГҐГІ. ГЂ ГЈГҐГГЁГЁ Г®ГГЁ, ГўГ®Г®ГЎГ№ГҐ-ГІГ®, ГўГ±ГҐ Гў ГГҐГЄГ®ГІГ®Г°Г®Г¬ Г°Г®Г¤ГҐ Г± ГЇГ°ГЁГўГҐГІГ®Г¬ . ГЂ ГІГ® Г·ГІГ® Г‹Г ГГ¤Г Гі ГЎГ»Г« ГЈГҐГГЁГҐГ¬ ГЅГІГ® , Г¤ГіГ¬Г Гѕ, ГЎГҐГ±Г±ГЇГ®Г°ГГ®. Г‡Г ГЎГіГЈГ®Г°ГГ®Гў, ГІГ» ГЄГЁГГ® ГўГЁГ¤ГҐГ«? ГЏГ®Г±Г¬Г®ГІГ°ГЁ ГҐГ±Г«ГЁ ГГҐ ГўГЁГ¤ГҐГ«, Г°ГҐГЄГ®Г¬ГҐГГ¤ГіГѕ, ГЁГГІГҐГ°ГҐГ±ГГ®. Smile

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ГЌГҐ ГЎГіГ¤ГЁГІГҐ ГўГ® Г¬ГГҐ Г±ГІГҐГ°ГўГі! ГЋГГ ГЁ ГІГ ГЄ, ГЎГҐГ¤ГГїГ¦ГЄГ , ГГҐ ГўГ»Г±Г»ГЇГ ГҐГІГ±Гї.

Zabougornov

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ГЌГі Г¤Г , Гї ГІГ®Г¦ГҐ ГГҐ Г«ГѕГЎГ«Гѕ ГЎГҐГ§Г ГЇГҐГ«ГїГ¶ГЁГ®ГГГ»Гµ Г±ГіГ¦Г¤ГҐГГЁГ©, Г®Г±ГГ®ГўГ ГГГ»Гµ ГГ ГЇГ®ГўГҐГ°ГµГГ®Г±ГІГГ®Г¬ Г®Г§ГГ ГЄГ®Г¬Г«ГҐГГЁГЁ Г± Г±ГѕГ¦ГҐГІГ®Г¬. Laughing

ГЂ Г ГўГІГ®Г° ГЈГ°ГҐГёГЁГІ ГЁГ¬ГҐГГГ® ГЅГІГЁГ¬. Г‚ГЁГ¤ГЁГ¬Г®, ГўГ»ГГҐГ± Г±ГўГ®Гѕ ГІГ®Г·ГЄГі Г§Г°ГҐГГЁГї ГІГ®Г«ГјГЄГ® ГЁГ§ ГґГЁГ«ГјГ¬Г .
ГЂ Гў ГґГЁГ«ГјГ¬ГҐ Г‹Г ГГ¤Г Гі ГЇГ°ГҐГЇГ®Г¤ГГҐГ±ГҐГ ГҐГ±Г«ГЁ ГГҐ ГЄГ ГЄ ГЁГ¤ГЁГ®ГІ, ГІГ® ГЄГ ГЄ Г·ГҐГ«Г®ГўГҐГЄ Г± ГЎГ®Г«ГјГёГЁГ¬ГЁ ГІГ Г°Г ГЄГ ГГ Г¬ГЁ ГІГ®Г·ГГ®. ГЌГ® ГІГҐГ¬ ГГҐ Г¬ГҐГГҐГҐ , Г·ГҐГ«Г®ГўГҐГЄ Г± ГІГ Г°Г ГЄГ ГГ Г¬ГЁ Г®ГЇГЁГ±Г Г Г± Г«ГѕГЎГ®ГўГјГѕ ГЁ ГГҐГ¦ГГ®Г±ГІГјГѕ, ГЁ ГЇГ°Г®Г№ГҐГГ® ГҐГ¬Гі ГўГ±ГҐ, ГЁ Г¦Г Г«Гј ГҐГЈГ®...ГЌГі, Г¬ГГҐ ГўГ® ГўГ±ГїГЄГ®Г¬ Г±Г«ГіГ·Г ГҐ. Rolling Eyes

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ГЌГҐ ГЎГіГ¤ГЁГІГҐ ГўГ® Г¬ГГҐ Г±ГІГҐГ°ГўГі! ГЋГГ ГЁ ГІГ ГЄ, ГЎГҐГ¤ГГїГ¦ГЄГ , ГГҐ ГўГ»Г±Г»ГЇГ ГҐГІГ±Гї.

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ГЂ, Г‡Г ГЎГіГЈГ°ГГ®Гў ГЇГ°Г®ГїГўГЁГ« Г¶ГҐГµГ®ГўГіГѕ Г±Г®Г«ГЁГ¤Г Г°ГГ®Г±ГІГј Г± Г‹Г ГГ¤Г Гі. ГЊГ®Г«, ГГҐ Г¤Г Г¬ ГіГ·ГҐГГ»Гµ Гў Г®ГЎГЁГ¤Гі, Г±Г Г¬ ГІГ ГЄГ®Г© Very Happy

Г’ГЁГГ , Г®Г· ГЁГГІГҐГ°ГҐГ±ГГ®ГіГѕ Г¶ГЁГІГ ГІГі ГІГ» ГЇГ°ГЁГўГҐГ«Г . Гџ ГІГ®Г¦ГҐ ГЇГ°Г®ГГЁГЄГ«Г Г±Гј ГЁГ±ГІГ®Г°ГЁГҐГ© Г‹Г ГГ¤Г Гі ГЁ ГЉГ®Г°Г», Г±Г°Г®Г·ГГҐГ©ГёГЁГ¬ Г®ГЎГ°Г Г§Г®Г¬ Г§Г ГЄГ Г§Г Г«Г Г±ГҐГЎГҐ ГҐГҐ ГЄГГЁГЈГі, Г¤Г Г¦ГҐ ГГҐ ГЇГ®Г±ГЄГіГЇГЁГ«Г Г±Гј ГГ Г ГўГЁГ ГЇГ®Г·ГІГі, ГµГ®ГІГї Г®ГЎГ»Г·ГГ® ГІГҐГ°ГЇГҐГ«ГЁГўГ® Г¦Г¤Гі ГЇГ°ГЁГЎГ»ГІГЁГї ГГ Г§ГҐГ¬ГГ®Г©. Г‚Г®ГІ ГЄГ ГЄ ГўГ±ГЄГ®Г«Г»ГµГГіГ«Г Г¬ГҐГГї ГЅГІГ ГЁГ±ГІГ®Г°ГЁГї. Very Happy

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