Ýòîò ýïèçîä èñòîðèè çäåñü ïðåïîäíåñ¸í î÷åíü òåíäåíöèîçíî. Ïîäîçðåâàþ ÷òî ñ öåëüþ âûçâàòü íåíàâèñòü ê àíëèéñêèì è ôðàíöóçñêèì âëàñòÿì òîãî âðåìåíè. Less biased îïèñàíèÿ ïðîèñõîäÿùèõ ñîáûòèé ìîæíî íàéòè çäåñü.
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The ship left Baltimore February 25, 1947 and headed for the Mediterranean.[2] Under the command of Yossi Harel, it sailed with 4,515 passengers from a small port outside Marseille on July 11, 1947, and arrived at Palestine shores on July 18.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yossi_Harel
Yossi Harel (Hebrew: יוסי הראל), born Yosef Hamburger (January 4, 1918 - April 26, 2008) was the captain of Exodus 1947 and a leading member of the Israeli intelligence community.[1] _________________ A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
Zabava
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Ïî ïîâîäó âîïðîñà, êòî æå áûë êàïèòàíîì êîðàáëÿ ëó÷øå îáðàòèòüñÿ ê ñîçäàòåëÿì ôèëüìà, äóìàþ, ÷òî îíè ýòîò âîïðîñ ïðîøòóäèðîâàëè îò è äî.  ôèëüìå ðå÷ü èäåò î äâóõ ëþäÿõ, èõ äðóæáå è ïðîøëîì, îäèí èç êîòîðûõ óìåð ñîâñåì íåäàâíî - â àïðåëå. Íî êàïèòàíîì âñå âðåìÿ è âåçäå íàçûâàëè Àéêè Àðîíîâè÷à. Òàì æå áûëè îòðûâêè èç ðàçíûõ ïåðåäà÷, ÷åñòâîâàíèé åãî âî Ôðàíöèè è Èçðàèëå, ãäå î åãî êàïèòàíñòâå ïîâòîðÿëîñü íåîäíîêàðàòíî.
Ìîæåò, êîíå÷íî, íåèñêóøåííîé ôðàíöóçñêîé ïóáëèêå ïîäñóíóëè ôàëüøèâîãî êàïèòàíà? Òîãäà ïî÷åìó çäåñü òîæå ãîâîðèòñÿ îá ýòîì?
http://ortivika.livejournal.com/264319.html
È çäåñü
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Pierre Besnainou, Régine Konckier, Richard Prasquier, Alexandre Adler ainsi que le capitaine de l'Exodus, Ike Aronowicz ou encore le journaliste Noah Kliger, survivant d’Auschwitz, ancien passager du bateau Exodus participeront à ce périple de 6 jours qui permettra au public de visiter les hauts lieux de l’immigration clandestine.
The man who commanded the clandestine operations that brought in four ships carrying some 24,000 illegal immigrants between 1945 and 1948, Yossi Harel, died yesterday in Tel Aviv at the age of 90.
The writer Yoram Kaniuk, a friend of Harel, told Haaretz that when the ships he commanded sailed past the coast of Turkey, Harel would think of the Armenian village in Franz Werfel's novel "40 Days of Musa Dagh," which described the Armenian genocide. "He loved the Armenian people and felt close to them," Kaniuk said, adding that he wanted to mention Harel's sensitivity to the Armenians as a sign of the great humanitarianism and compassion that were central to his Harel's character.
Harel was born in 1919, a sixth-generation Jerusalemite. He joined the Haganah at age 15 and later became part of the unit commanded by Orde Wingate, where he earned a reputation for bravery. Kaniuk related that David Ben-Gurion and Shaul Avigur (commander of the Aliyah Bet illegal immigration campaign and founder of Shai, the Haganah intelligence service) had marked him out as suitable to command the clandestine immigration ships because in addition to his leadership skills and fighting prowess, "there was something very hevreman [sociable] about him. He was not the kind of clap-you-on-the-back hero. He was a man of manners, the type who didn't raise his voice. He was a man of conscience and a daring fighter." He was also sensitive, and showed special care for women about to give birth on the ship, Kaniuk said.
Kaniuk also said, "Many of the sabras were snobs. They felt like heroes and did not show great sensitivity to the [Holocaust] survivors. It was hard for them to get in touch with their Jewishness. To Yossi, his Jewishness was important, as someone who had grown up in Jerusalem and not in Tel Aviv or on a kibbutz."
Harel commanded the major clandestine immigrant operations, including four ships: Knesset Israel, The Exodus, Atzma'ut and Kibbutz Galuyot. By the time he was 28 he had been responsible for about 24,000 immigrants had come in under his command, more than one-third of those smuggled into the country secretly between 1945 and 1948.
The Exodus, whose captain was Yitzhak "Ike" Aharonovich, went down in history for its heroic voyage from France in July 1947, carrying 4,500 Holocaust survivors, and the fight for months to keep it from being turned back by the British. Eventually the ship was forced back to Europe and sailed to Hamburg, Germany.
But the high point in Harel's career was not the more famous Exodus, according to an earlier article in Haaretz by historian Dr. Aviva Halamish. It was the two-and-a-half week voyage of the Knesset Israel. The ship set sail in November 1946 from Yugoslavia with 4,000 souls on boad. According to Halamish, this voyage brought to the fore the contrasts between the Yishuv, the Jewish community in pre-state Israel, and the clandestine immigrants, who were Holocaust survivors and "carried their struggle with them." Inspired by the story of the Knesset Israel, the poet Natan Alterman wrote in the newspaper Davar of the "division of labor" between the two groups.
Harel later went on to study mechanical engineering in the United States. He was called back by Israel Defense Forces chief of staff Moshe Dayan to command Unit 131, the intelligence unit that operated the Israeli spy ring that collapsed in Egypt in 1954. Eventually, Harel left the army and went into business.
Harel is to be buried tomorrow at Kibbutz Sdot Yam, near Caesarea.
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Le 18 juillet au matin à l'entrée des eaux territoriales de la Palestine, un croiseur et cinq contre-torpilleurs apparaissent, mais le navire Exodus 47 refuse de s'arrêter et d'obtempérer à la demande des autorités. Il est cependant arraisonné à seulement 27 kilomètres des côtes. Le commandant tente de s'enfuir pour s'échouer sur Rafah, et en dépit de la résistance à la pénétration, des marins britanniques, celle-ci communique dans la matinée du 18 juillet que : La marine britannique a intercepté de bonne heure ce matin le Président-Warfield avec 4500 immigrants illégaux à bord, le navire est attendu à 13 heures.
Íó òîãäà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ (åñëè âåðèòü Haaretz, ìîæåò áûòü biased, îò åâðååâ âñåãî ìîæíî æäàòü...) ÷òî èõ òàì äâîå íà áîðòó áûëî. Ïîòîì (åñëè âåðèòü Wikipedia, ôðàíöóçñêàÿ âåðñèÿ, Íå äóìàþ ÷òî biased õîòÿ îò ôðàíöóçîâ âñåãî ìîæíî æäàòü...) îäèí èç íèõ (èëè îáà?) ïûòàëñÿ áåæàòü (íà ëîäêå?) íà áåðåã, â Rafah. Åãî áðèòàíöû ïîéìàëè (ãäå? íà êîðàáëå? íà ëîäêå? â Rafah?) è ÷òî äàëüøå ñ íèì áûëî? Íåÿñíî.... _________________ A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
"Under the command of Yossi Harel, it sailed with 4,515 passengers from a small port outside Marseille on July 11, 1947, and arrived at Palestine shores on July 18."
Òîãäà ïîëó÷àåòñÿ âð¸ò Wikipedia. Êàê ìîæíî êîìàíäîâàòü êîðàáë¸ì íå íàõîäÿñü ëè÷íî íà ñóäíå? È åñëè òàêè ìîæíî, òîãà ïî÷åìó Aharonovich äàæå íå óïîìÿíóò? _________________ A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
Ñïðîñèëà ó ñóïðóæíèêà, îí ìíå ñêàçàë, ÷òî óìåð òîò, êòî ïî àíãëèéñêèé íàçûâàåòñÿ commander
È âîîáùå, óâåëè÷èâàþùååñÿ êîëè÷åñòâî êàïèòàíîâ ìåíÿ íå óäèâëÿåò. Ñîáûòèå çíà÷èìîå, è êàæäûé, êòî â íåì ó÷àñòâîâàë, õî÷åò áûòü ïàìÿòè ïîòîìêîâ òàìîøíèì êàïèòàíîì
Esti
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 èñòîðèè ãîñóäàðñòâà Èçðàèëü òàê ìíîãî òåìíûõ ïÿòåí è òàê ìíîãî ñòðàíèö, êîòîðûå ïåðåïèñûâàëèñü (è ïåðåïåñûâàþòñÿ ) â çàâèñèìîñòè îò íàïðàâëåíèÿ âåòðà.... Ëþáîé ýïèçîä íàøåé èñòîðèè íåîáõîäèìî ðàññìàòðèâàòü ñ íåñêîëüêèõ ñòîðîí, íè â êîåì ñëó÷àå íå âîñïðèíèìàòü êîãî- ëèáî êàê èñòèíó â ïîñëåäíåé èíñòàíöèè. (èìõî)
Âèêèïåäèÿ íà èâðèòå ñîîáùàåò ñëåäóþùåå:
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האונייה, בפיקודם של אייק אהרונוביץ' (ארן) שהיה אז בן 23, הקצין הראשון ביל ברנשטיין שהיה בן 24 ומפקד המבצע מטעם ההגנה יוסי הראל (המבורגר), הפליגה מנמל ליד מרסיי ב-11 ביולי 1947
Ñåãîäíÿ òîëüêî ïÿòíèöà, òàê ÷òî âïåðåäè öåëûé âå÷åð âåñåëüÿ è çàâòðà öåëûé äåíü.
Ïðèåçæàéòå! Âìåñòå ïîïðàçäíóåì! _________________ Òempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis
המעפילים, ובהם נשים וילדים, הורדו לחוף וגורשו על גבי שלוש אוניות גירוש בריטיות לצרפת ומשם הובלו על ידי הבריטים חזרה לגרמניה. רב החובל של "אקסודוס", יצחק (אייק) אהרונוביץ' (שהיה אחראי על השטת הספינה בעוד שהראל היה מפקדה), חלק על החלטתו שלא לפקוד על המעפילים להלחם בבריטים, אך כיבד את החלטתו. בהיוודע דבר מותו של הראל אמר עליו אהרונוביץ' לכתב ידיעות אחרונות:
À êòî òàêîé, Ðàâ Õà-Õîâåëü? _________________ A la guerre comme a la guerre èëè âòîðàÿ ðåäàêöèÿ Çàáóãîðíîâà
Esti
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Zabougornov ():
À êòî òàêîé, Ðàâ Õà-Õîâåëü?
Êàïèòàí (êîðàáëÿ). _________________ Òempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis
mk
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À ìîæíî äëÿ íåîáðàçîâàííûõ âêðàòöå, ÷òî ïîáóäèëî ê ìàññîâîìó îòúåçäó èç Ôðàíöèè àæ â 47-ì? Âðîäå, ôàøèçì ê òîìó âðåìåíè óæå ïîáåæäåí è çàêëåéìåí. _________________ Russian IT-forum in France