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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/peres-holds-secret-talks-with-palestinians-in-bid-to-restart-negotiations-1.375809
Peres holds secret talks with Palestinians in bid to restart negotiations
Peres and Erekat go over maps of West Bank, East Jerusalem in effort to find formula to bypass dispute over establishing 1967 borders as basis for negotiations; meetings held in coordination with Netanyahu.
By Akiva Eldar Tags: Palestinian reconciliation Palestinian state Palestinian Authority Shimon Peres


President Shimon Peres has been holding intensive talks with Ramallah in an effort to resume negotiations and head off a unilateral Palestinian statehood bid at the UN in September.

The meetings are being held in complete coordination with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Haaretz has learned that on Tuesday night, Peres held a long meeting with the chief Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat. The two went over maps of the West Bank and East Jerusalem in an effort to find a formula that would bypass the dispute over establishing the June 4, 1967 border as a basis for negotiations toward a final settlement between Israel and the Palestinians.

One option explored was the exchange of territory, and others was to compensate the Palestinians for settlement blocs annexed into Israel, on the basis of the U.S. proposal that the area of a Palestinian state be equal to the territory of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Both the president's and prime minister's bureaus refused to comment on the report.

A senior Palestinian source in Ramallah confirmed that Erekat met a number of times with Peres, including this week.

A hint at the meetings with the Palestinians could be found in statements made by Peres during a special message to the Arabic media on the eve of Ramadan, which is expected to begin early next week.

"I speak with all sides," Peres said. "I know that there are exchanges in order to prevent [the crisis] in September and that the differences are very minor."

During a meeting with Arabic-language reporters from Israel, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank and neighboring countries, Peres called on both sides to return to the negotiating table.

"Such a political move will allow for a breakthrough and will transform September into a month of hope," he said. "I have noted the Palestinian preference for an agreement instead of continuing the conflict in a UN resolution."

Officials fear that heightened tensions and violence could break out come September, when the Palestinian Authority is expected to appeal to the UN for recognition as a state, a move which may push the two sides further apart.

Peres also told the reporters there is no basis to the claims that Netanyahu is planning to void the Oslo Accords.

While surveys show Netanyahu's popularity shrinking over the housing protests and doctors' strike, Peres announced his support for Netanyahu's domestic aid package.

"In talks with the prime minister, ministers and MKs, my impression is that they realize the seriousness of the situation," the president said. "I hope that the program the prime minister has presented will ease the standing of the middle class."
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Да-а.... не хотят они Палестинского государства.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/state-department-official-says-u-s-would-veto-palestinian-un-bid-1.383281
State Department official says U.S. would veto Palestinian UN bid
Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman expresses concern regarding possibility of UN declaration in the General Assembly, expresses the need for direct negotiations.
By Natasha Mozgovaya


A top U.S. official confirmed Wednesday that the Obama administration would veto a resolution to recognize a Palestinian state, should one be put forth before the Security Council.

"The administration has been very clear that if any such resolution were put in front of the Security Council, that we would veto it," said Wendy Sherman, newly-confirmed Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, on Wednesday during her Senate confirmation hearing.

Sherman's comment marks the first time a U.S. official confirmed that the Obama administration will indeed cast a veto on Palestinians' statehood bid at the UN Security Council.

"The President has been very clear that a UN resolution to recognize Palestine will not get us to the two-state solution that both parties seek, and that most of the world seeks", Sherman said in an exchange with the U.S. Senator Mike Lee (R-UT).

Sherman continued, stating that direct negotiations are the "only path to that resolution…The administration has been very clear that if any such resolution were put in front of the Security Council, that we would veto it".

Sherman added that while the United States is not concerned that the resolution will reach the Security Council, the possibility of a UN declaration in the General Assembly is "still of concern”, expressing the need for “another way forward” which would include both parties entering into direct negotiations again.

Meanwhile, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland expressed her surprise regarding the reaction to Sherman's comments.

"We've seen the press furor around this. Frankly, it was surprising to us", Nuland said.

“I think the president's been clear all along that he opposes this, and has also made clear that the U.S. would oppose such a move firmly in the U.N.” continued Nuland, emphasizing the United States’ desire to get to a place where the two states can live “side by side in peace and security”.
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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/u-s-envoys-urge-abbas-to-reconsider-palestinian-statehood-bid-1.383329
U.S. envoys urge Abbas to reconsider Palestinian statehood bid
Abbas says Palestinian statehood recognition request reaches point of no return.
By Barak Ravid Tags: Mahmoud Abbas Palestinian state Benjamin Netanyahu Ehud Barak Palestinian Authority


White House Middle East emissaries Dennis Ross and David Hale met Wednesday with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and made it clear to him that a request to the United Nations for recognition in about two weeks of an independent Palestinian state could have serious implications. For his part, Abbas said the Palestinian request for recognition of statehood within the 1967 borders had reached a point of no return and he could not retract it.

Ross and Hale also met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak in the course of their visit to the region, but the trip was aimed at applying last-minute pressure on the Palestinian president. An Israeli source with knowledge of the details of the meeting between the visiting Americans and Abbas noted that this was the first time the Americans had spelled out the full negative implications of the Palestinian request to the UN.

It was a break with past procedure that saw Hale joined at the Ramallah meeting with the Palestinian president by Ross, who is a senior adviser to U.S. President Barack Obama, and by the deputy legal adviser at the State Department, Jonathan Schwartz. "The Americans told Abu Mazen [Abbas] the whole truth to his face in a rather harsh way," an Israeli source said.

Another Israeli official noted that the American emissaries spelled out the damage, item by item, that pursuing UN recognition could cause the Palestinian Authority, painted the bleakest of scenarios and at times even exaggerated the gravity of the situation.

At a hearing before the U.S. Congress, the undersecretary for political affairs at the State Department, Wendy Sherman, said that if the Palestinian statehood proposal was brought before the UN Security Council, the United States would exercise its veto power to block it. At their meeting with Abbas, Ross and Hale stressed that in addition to invoking the veto on any request to the Security Council, even a request for statehood recognition by the UN General Assembly would result in a reduction of American aid to the Palestinian Authority, which currently stands at about $450 million a year.

Congress would be expected to cut it and in such an eventuality only a special presidential order could free up the funding.

Abbas told his American guests that the Palestinian request to the UN was not a substitute for negotiations with Israel, and he is ready to resume negotiations after the UN vote. The U.S. diplomats told the PA leader that recognition of a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders would totally change the legal basis of relations between the PA and Israel, and would undermine some of the foundations on which the peace process has been based.

According to the Israeli source, the American emissaries had the impression that Abbas does not sufficiently understand the significance of the UN request and its implications. "Abu Mazen [Abbas] conveyed great distress in his meeting with Ross and Hale," the source said, adding that he understood that he had painted himself into a corner but cannot extricate himself.

Despite the warnings conveyed by the visiting Obama administration officials, the meeting ended in failure, with Abbas saying that although he was not interested in a confrontation with Israel or a quarrel with the United States, at the current stage he could not forgo the request to the UN. He had no other option, the PA leader said.

On Thursday, George Mitchell, who resigned as U.S. Middle East peace emissary several months ago, told a Georgetown University audience in Washington that the chances of the Obama administration managing to get Abbas to change course are extremely small. It is difficult to be optimistic about development over the coming months, Mitchell said.

On Thursday, the executive council of the Palestinian Liberation Organization convened in Ramallah and reaffirmed its determination to pursue statehood recognition at the UN. Also on Thursday, the Palestinians launched a campaign to rally support for U.N. recognition, planning demonstrations in the Palestinian territories and worldwide before asking the world body to accept them as a full member state later this month.

AP contributed to this report .

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Маски сброшены.....

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At a hearing before the U.S. Congress, the undersecretary for political affairs at the State Department, Wendy Sherman, said that if the Palestinian statehood proposal was brought before the UN Security Council, the United States would exercise its veto power to block it. At their meeting with Abbas, Ross and Hale stressed that in addition to invoking the veto on any request to the Security Council, even a request for statehood recognition by the UN General Assembly would result in a reduction of American aid to the Palestinian Authority, which currently stands at about $450 million a year.

Congress would be expected to cut it and in such an eventuality only a special presidential order could free up the funding.

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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israeli-intelligence-urges-return-to-peace-talks-with-palestinians-1.383931
Israeli intelligence urges return to peace talks with Palestinians
Foreign Ministry, Shin Bet, Mossad and MI documents recommend progress vis-a-vis Palestinians in order to tone down tensions and anger, and improve Israel's diplomatic standing.
By Barak Ravid Tags: Mahmous Abbas Benjamin Netanyahu UN Security Council Palestinian state


In recent weeks the Foreign Ministry, Military Intelligence, the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad have distributed a number of documents stating that a return to negotiations would tone down tensions and anger against Israel.

The documents, issued ahead of the expected UN vote on a Palestinian state, also state that while changes in the Arab world could be a threat to Israel, they also represent opportunities for Israel to improve its diplomatic standing.

"All the documents recommend progress vis-a-vis the Palestinians," a source close to Defense Minister Ehud Barak said.

In recent meetings of the eight senior cabinet ministers, Barak told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the other ministers that the focus should be on Israel's interests and not on symbolic issues like national honor. If Israel does not try to seriously move the peace process ahead, it will be seen as obstructionist by its friends in the West, Barak told the ministers.

"By sharpening tensions with the Palestinians, we are inviting isolation on Israel," Barak also told the octet.

Barak believes the security cabinet should not to be dealing with tactical matters such as an apology to Turkey or evacuating the embassy in Cairo, but with strategic issues involving Israel's standing in the region. "The signs are there; afterward we'll have to ask ourselves what we could have done differently," Barak said in closed conversations.

Meanwhile, France and Spain, along with the European Union's high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, Catherine Ashton, are in advanced stages of negotiations with the Palestinian Authority over a "package deal" that will enable the 27 member states of the EU to vote at the United Nations General Assembly in favor of upgrading the PA to the status of a non-permanent member of the UN.

The Europeans are also trying to gain the United States' agreement to abstain from the vote and continue its financial aid to the Palestinians, in return for a promise by PA President Mahmoud Abbas not to take Israel to the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

Three senior European diplomats involved in the negotiations told Haaretz that the PA president had informed the EU of his decision not to turn to the UN Security Council on September 20 and request that Palestine be accepted as a full member of the organization.

Abbas, who realizes that the United States will exercise its veto power at the Security Council, has decided to turn to the UN General Assembly, whose resolutions are less binding, in order to seek the support of the European Union member states in the vote.

Abbas is expected to meet in Cairo today with Ashton, who is in charge of the EU's foreign policy, and with the foreign ministers of the Arab League Monitoring Committee. During both meetings the diplomatic deal being worked out will be discussed.

Among the elements included in the package being negotiated are the following:

a. The Palestinians will ask the UN General Assembly to upgrade their standing to something similar to that of the Vatican, which has permanent observer status at the international body. This will enable the Palestinians to be full members in a series of international organizations.

b. A large block of the 27 member states of the EU will vote in favor of the resolution, but the resolution will include a clause stating that the vote does not require that each state recognize the Palestinian state on a bilateral level. This is a critical condition for gaining the support of Germany and Italy to the vote. It is assumed that if this is accepted, at least 20 of the 27-member block will vote in favor of the resolution.

c. The Palestinians will commit to resuming negotiations with Israel immediately following the vote at the UN, without any preconditions.

d. The wording of the resolution the Palestinians will bring before the General Assembly will be balanced and will combine elements of the speeches of U.S. President Barack Obama of May 19, 2011, and the conclusion of the EU's Foreign Affairs Council of December 2009. In other words, the negotiations will be held on the basis of the 1967 borders with an exchange of territory and a statement according to which the EU will be ready to recognize the Palestinian state "at an appropriate time."

Meanwhile, France and Spain, along with the European Union’s high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, Catherine Ashton, are in advanced stages of negotiations with the Palestinian Authority over a “package deal” that will enable the 27 member states of the EU to vote at the United Nations General Assembly in favor of upgrading the PA to the status of a non-permanent member of the UN.

In parallel, the Palestinians are holding consultations with Germany, Britain and Italy on an agreed wording for the resolution, which would enable the three large EU member states to vote in favor. Spanish and French diplomats noted that they are very close to achieving an understanding with the Germans.

Ashton and the five large EU countries are keen to avoid an internal European division over the issue. "We will do everything possible not to isolate Germany," European diplomats said.

A senior German diplomat did not deny the developments and said that his country is interested in a "package deal" with the Palestinians on a balanced resolution.
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Заметались....

http://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/13sep2011/emissar8010.html
За неделю до голосования в ООН: эмиссары Обамы снова едут на Ближний Восток
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-orders-evacuation-of-israel-embassy-in-jordan-fearing-violent-protests-1.384512
Netanyahu orders evacuation of Israel embassy in Jordan, fearing violent protests
Premier, FM Lieberman order diplomatic staff in Amman to return a day ahead of schedule over expected anti-Israel rallies.
By Barak Ravid Tags: Egypt Middle East peace Jordan


Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman ordered the early evacuation of Israel's embassy in Jordan on Wednesday, over fears of violent anti-Israel protests similar to those which erupted in Cairo last week.

Protocol stipulates that all employees return to Israel every weekend, with the exclusion of one diplomatic representative as well as a security team.

On Wednesday, however, it was affirmed that Israel had decided to vacate its Jordanian embassy a day earlier than schedule, following fears of violent protests outside the embassy building, expected to take place on Thursday and throughout the weekend.

A senior Foreign Ministry official told Haaretz that the planned protest was organized on Facebook, adding that more than 3,000 signed up to participate.

However, officials estimated that only a few several hundred will actually arrive, adding that they were confident that Jordanian security forces would disperse the rally before it got out of hand.

"Jordan has a 'responsible adult' and they will not allow for riots similar to those which took place in Cairo," one Foreign Ministry official said, adding that "the embassy was closed a day ahead of schedule just to be sure."


Netanyahu and Lieberman's decision to vacate the Israeli embassy came following last week's tumultuous anti-Israel protests in Cairo, which culminated in protesters breaking into the embassy building.

Egyptian commandos released six besieged security guards from the Israeli Embassy, while an Israeli Air Force plane evacuated over 80 diplomats, including family members from Cairo, after a mass group of Egyptian protesters broke into the embassy.

Speaking of the possible aftermath of the attack of Israel's embassy, State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland told reporters on Monday that the "immediate crisis with property and diplomatic security in Cairo seems to have calmed," adding that she felt "both governments have made appropriate statements."

"Our hope is to avoid any spillover into the larger region," Nuland said, adding that the Egyptian government has made clear that they regret [the incident], that they are taking steps. They did take steps. So we are hoping that it was indeed an isolated incident."

The U.S. official added that Washington felt "that both the Egyptian and the Israeli governments spoke strongly about the importance of bringing this situation under control and the fact that it has now been brought under control gives us some hope going forward."

"But obviously we all need to be vigilant," Nuland said.
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Да-а....заметался Нетаниягу. Типа, поедет в Нью-Йорк и выступит на Генеральной Ассамблее. Бу-га-га! И что он там скажет? Типа, нельзя признавать их как независимое и суверенное государство, они от переговоров отказываются!

Ну так ему возразят что, типа: Вы о чём? Какие переговоры? Вы что, хотите определять судьбу другого народа, решать быть им независимыми или нет, а если да, то на каких условиях? И об этом хотите переговариваться с ними? Да по какому правы? Кто Вы есть такой?

http://www.newsru.co.il/israel/16sep2011/bibi8001.html
Нетаниягу выступит в ООН. Реакция израильских СМИ

"Едиот Ахронот" и "Маарив" за 16 сентября 2011 года
Нетаниягу лично выступит на Генассамблее ООН
Махмуд Аббас
Ведущие израильские СМИ комментируют 16 сентября решение премьер-министра Израиля Биньямина Нетаниягу отправиться в Нью-Йорк и лично выступить на заседании Генеральной Ассамблеи ООН, которая, предположительно, будет рассматривать просьбу палестинцев о предоставлении статуса полноправного члена, то есть – признания государственного суверенитета.

Нахум Барнеа пишет в газете "Едиот Ахронот", что Биньямин Нетаниягу совершает ошибку, отправляясь в Нью-Йорк. Он утверждает, что глава правительства своей политикой завел мирный процесс в тупик и теперь пытается спасти ситуацию с помощью речи в ООН, но вряд ли сможет достигнуть желаемых результатов. В таком же духе выдержана заметка Шимона Шафира. Они подчеркивают, что премьер-министру следовало бы остаться дома и принимать меры для возобновления переговоров с палестинским руководством.

Политический обозреватель газеты "Маарив" Эли Барденштейн, напротив, отмечает, что глава правительства решил не оставлять важную международную арену палестинцам без боя, поэтому решил отправиться в Нью-Йорк. Он также подчеркивает, что Биньямин Нетаниягу пытается договориться о встрече с президентом США Бараком Обамой, который тоже прибудет на заседание Генеральной Ассамблеи ООН, но Белый дом пока не дал ответа на просьбу о переговорах.

Дан Маргалит пишет на страницах "Исраэль а-Йом", что последние попытки уговорить ПА отказаться от обращения в ООН и вернуться за стол переговоров оказались тщетными. Махмуд Аббас отверг даже те инициативы, которые были слишком тяжелыми для Израиля, например, с признанием арабской инициативы (исключая пункт о беженцах). По мнению Маргалита, Нетаниягу нечего терять, так как арабам обеспечено большинство голосов на заседании Генассамблеи. "Как сказал как-то Абба Эвен, если арабы предложат объявить Землю плоской, то ООН тут же поддержит их", – напоминает он. Вместе с тем, выступление премьер-министра может способствовать его попыткам убедить западные страны в справедливости его слов о нежелании палестинского руководства вести настоящие мирные переговоры.

Израильские СМИ отмечают, что в последние дни усилилась борьба за голоса двух членов Совета безопасности ООН – Габона и Нигерии. Из нынешнего состава СБ ООН, США, Великобритания, Франция, Германия, Колумбия, Португалия, а также Босния и Герцеговина склонны проголосовать против обращения ПА, тогда как Индия, Россия, КНР, Бразилия, Ливан и ЮАР заявили, что поддержат палестинцев. Если Нигерия и Габон примкнут к противникам наделения палестинцев статусом постоянного члена ООН, то США не понадобится использовать право вето для торпедирования соответствующей резолюции.
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Да-а....заметался Нетаниягу, готов, типа, на upgrade....

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/netanyahu-israel-will-agree-to-upgrade-of-palestinian-status-not-statehood-1.384716
Netanyahu: Israel will agree to upgrade of Palestinian status, not statehood
Netanyahu decides to address the UN General Assembly next Friday, the day the Palestinians will submit their statehood bid.
By Barak Ravid Tags: Palestinian state Benjamin Netanyahu Barack Obama

Israel would agree to upgrade the Palestinian Authority's status at the United Nations as long as it is not declared a state, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in talks with Catherine Ashton, the European Union's foreign policy chief, over the past few days.

On Thursday Netanyahu decided to address the UN General Assembly next Friday, the day the Palestinians will submit their statehood bid.

Meanwhile, the Foreign ministry summoned the ambassadors of five key EU members Thursday to rebuke them over their countries' policy on the Palestinians' bid for UN recognition as a state.

Netanyahu said on Thursday that his speech to the United Nations would stress that negotiations are the only road to peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

"The General Assembly is not a place where Israel usually receives a fair hearing," he said at a press conference with Czech Prime Minister Petr Necas at his Jerusalem residence. "But I still decided to tell the truth before anyone who would like to hear it."

Netanyahu is scheduled to speak at 2 A.M. Israel time, a few hours after PA President Mahmoud Abbas.

U.S. President Barack Obama is to be in New York at the same time Netanyahu is there, but no meeting has been scheduled between the two.

Netanyahu continued his talks with U.S. envoys Dennis Ross and David Hale on Thursday, as well as Ashton and Quartet envoy Tony Blair, in an attempt to reach a compromise that would prevent an Israeli-Palestinian conflict at the UN. But no breakthrough was made, and the PA's appeal to the United Nations next week is regarded as inevitable.

Netanyahu told his interlocutors that granting the PA the status of a state would allow the Palestinians to go to the International Criminal Court in The Hague over issues like settlement construction. "But as long as it is less than a state, I'm ready to talk about it," a source familiar with the conversation quoted him as saying.

One of Netanyahu's advisers also said that Israel would not object to the PA's status being upgraded as long as it is not recognized as a state.

Both U.S. officials and Blair have been pressuring Ashton over the past few days to quash a French-Spanish initiative under which the EU's 27 members would unanimously support a General Assembly resolution upgrading the PA's status at the United Nations to that of a nonmember state. This initiative would give the PA the same status the Vatican now has.

In exchange, the PA would not ask the Security Council to grant it full UN membership or file charges against Israelis in the ICC.

Ashton, who had come to the region to gauge the parties' response to the French-Spanish initiative, did not even discuss it due to this pressure. Instead, without consulting the EU member states, Ashton raised a proposal of her own that conformed to Netanyahu's position.

Under Ashton's proposal, the PA would be upgraded to a new legal status less than that of a state. Such a status currently does not exist at the United Nations, but would be created especially for this purpose.

This status would not give the PA the standing it would need to take Israelis to the ICC.

Ashton, Blair and the Americans are also proposing that the Quartet - comprised of the United States, United Nations, European Union and Russia - draft a statement calling for renewed Israeli-Palestinian negotiations based on Obama's speeches in May.

The Quartet's foreign ministers are to meet Sunday in New York, but they are considered unlikely to reach a consensus on the wording of such a statement.

European diplomats said that many EU countries oppose Ashton's proposal and say she acted without authority. Under these circumstances, they added, EU members are bound to split their votes in the General Assembly.

The Palestinians also oppose Ashton's proposal, because they say it would not grant them the status of a state.

On Thursday PA Foreign Minister Riad Malki announced that Abbas plans to ask the Security Council to grant a Palestinian state full membership in the United Nations.

But Israel, the United States and the European Union believe the Palestinians will ultimately decide seek a General Assembly resolution recognizing the PA as a nonmember state. Though General Assembly resolutions, unlike those of the Security Council, are nonbinding, the United States cannot veto them, and the approval process is much quicker.

Meanwhile on Thursday, Foreign Ministry Deputy Director General Ran Koriel and Naor Gilman, the deputy director general for Europe, summoned the ambassadors of France, Germany, Britain, Spain and Italy to demand that they stop promoting an upgrade of the PA's status.

"We oppose any compensation to the Palestinians in exchange for approaching the General Assembly instead of the Security Council," one source quoted the Israeli officials as saying. "What we expect from your countries is simply to vote against any resolution."

The conversation apparently grew tense as the European envoys in their turn took Israel to task for opposing the Palestinian maneuver.
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Netanyahu said on Thursday that his speech to the United Nations would stress that negotiations are the only road to peace between Israel and the Palestinians.


А речь то в ООН пойдёт не о мирных переговорах, и не о путях к миру, а о признании независимого суверенного палестинского государства, признав которое можно вести речь и о мирном соглашении, и о границах, и о безопасности Израиля (и Палестины), и пр.
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Netanyahu told his interlocutors that granting the PA the status of a state would allow the Palestinians to go to the International Criminal Court in The Hague over issues like settlement construction.

Так бы сразу и сказал (с)
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Заметался Blair....

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/09/20119193522435555.html
Blair presses Palestinians to resume talks
Ex-British PM and Quartet's special envoy says it is Palestinians' "right" to come to UN, but negotiations are a must.

The diplomatic Quartet on the Middle East hopes to clinch a deal for the Palestinians to get greater UN recognition while meeting US and Israeli objections and convincing Palestinians to resume peace talks, special envoy Tony Blair has said.

Blair told Al Jazeera's Abderrahim Foukara on Sunday that it was "the Palestinian right to come to the UN", but that "whatever happens at the UN, let's find a balanced way that we can restart the negotiations."
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Tony Blair denies he is supporting the Israeli position

"You can pass whatever resolution you want or have any amount of recognition at the UN, unless you also have change on the ground that is negotiated - because this is the only way it will happen, you're going to end up in a situation where we end up again frustrated," he said.

In a separate interview with ABC television, Blair explained: "What we will be looking for over the next few days is a way of putting together something that allows their claims and legitimate aspirations for statehood to be recognised, whilst actually renewing the only thing that's going to produce a state - which is a negotiation directly between the two sides."

The former British prime minister represents the Quartet, which is made up of the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations.

While Russia has said that it supports the Palestinian bid, the US has threatened to veto it.

Twelve months ago, US President Barack Obama said he wanted to see a Palestinian state at the UN within a year.

Blair denied reports that the Quartet's position on the matter is in support of Israel.

"I'm not trying to bide time for anyone, what we've been doing for the past three years is supporting the Palestinian state building," he told Al Jazeera.

Diplomatic scramble

The US and Europe have stepped up a diplomatic scramble to avoid a UN showdown on the Palestinian bid.

US, European Union, Russian and UN officials want to craft a face-saving way out of the looming confrontation.

Britain, France and Germany will have decisive votes on the council. All of their UN envoys say that no decision on how to vote has been taken because they have not seen a Palestinian resolution.

Al Jazeera's Cath Turner, reporting from New York, said: "There is a chance that the UN Security Council can take up to 35 days to think about the Palestinian application, [but] that is not what the Palestinians want."

"Palestinians are standing firm," she added.

Mahmoud Abbas, Palestinian president, arrived in New York City on Monday and will address the UN body on Friday.

Predicting failure

Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel's prime minister, said that the Palestinian bid for UN membership has no chance of success and that they would ultimately seek renewed talks.

"As a result of the actions of the United States, which is working closely with us, and of other governments with which we and the Americans are working, I predict that this attempt will fail," Netanyahu said.

"In the end, after the smoke clears and after everything that happens at the UN, the Palestinians will come to their senses, I hope, drop these moves to bypass negotiations and return to the table in order to bring peace to us and our neighbours."
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Netanyahu compared the Security Council to the UN's government, while the General Assembly, he said, was more like a parliament.

"There you can pass almost any resolution," he said. "They could decide that the sun rises in the west and sinks in the east, but it doesn't have the same weight and the same importance as the Security Council."

Netanyahu has said he too will go to the UN to explain Israel's opposition to the Palestinian move.

Like Abbas, he is to speak on September 23, a government official said.

The White House says Netanyahu is also likely to meet Obama in New York.

Peace talks between Israel and Palestinians ground to a halt in September 2010 when Israel failed to renew a partial freeze on settlement construction in the occupied West Bank.

Since then, the Palestinians have refused to return to talks as long as Israel builds on occupied territory.

The Palestinians say they are going to the UN out of frustration with the deadlock in the peace process.
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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/in-palestinian-eyes-u-s-president-has-become-the-bad-guy-1.385415
In Palestinian eyes, U.S. president has become the bad guy
President Obama wants to bury the Palestinian initiative in the United Nations without having to get his hands dirty by casting a veto in the Security Council.
By Akiva Eldar


A short time after Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas landed in New York, MK Ahmed Tibi (United Arab List-Ta'al ) expressed a widespread feeling in the Palestinian delegation regarding U.S. President Barack Obama: "Were Martin Luther King to rise from the dead and see how a black president is waging an all-out war against the rights of the Palestinian people," opined Tibi, "he would choose to return to the grave."

This week, Obama has replaced Benjamin Netanyahu, and is playing the part of the bad guy in Palestinian perception. The supporting actor in this capacity is Quartet delegate Tony Blair, who is viewed by the Palestinians as a representative of the U.S. government beholden to the mission of scuttling Palestinian statehood recognition.

After the Palestinians rejected the "compromise proposal" that Blair presented to Abbas this weekend, Obama stepped up his full frontal attack against the Palestinians. The U.S. president wants to bury the Palestinian initiative in the United Nations without having to get his hands dirty by casting a veto in the Security Council. Why should he take the risk of annoying the Saudis if he can get rid of the statehood resolution by utilizing the UN's serpentine procedures?

When the United States wanted UN action on the Republic of South Sudan, UN procedures lasted no longer than one week. In contrast, with regard to a resolution that is liable to alienate the U.S. Congress, UN procedures can be manipulated so that the proposal is battered for several long months. At the same time, the Americans are mobilizing their political and economic leverage so as to put together a majority of nine Security Council members who are opposed to the statehood resolution - a move that would force the Palestinians to accept a General Assembly decision to grant them a state status equivalent to that enjoyed by the pope's residence.

As a result of contacts with European leaders, Abbas is aware that the American Goliath does not want to win a victory on points, or on a technical knockout. Obama is trying to persuade "quality states" in Europe to vote against the statehood resolution, or at least to abstain, in the General Assembly. As of Monday, the United States and the Palestinians are both trying to "win everything."

The "compromise proposal" delivered to Abbas, via Blair, calling on the Palestinians to limit their effort to the General Assembly, is essentially a recycled version of a formula endorsed by Obama last July. The proposal stirred consternation among the three other Quartet partners, who eventually rejected it. The proposal contains not even a hint about a settlement freeze. It limits final status negotiations to a 12-month period, but grants Israel the authority to cease talks the moment it is dissatisfied with the actions of the Palestinian side (especially in the security sphere ).

The proposal refers to the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside the state of the Jewish people; the new state's borders would not be the 1967 lines, and they would take into account demographic realities in the field. In other words, the July-Obama/Blair proposal enjoins Palestinian recognition of the legality of the settlements without requiring an Israeli commitment to a territorial concession comparable in size and quality.

Meanwhile, the Palestinian leadership is not disclosing the final formulation of the statehood recognition resolution to be brought to the UN. The scant information available indicates that the Palestinians will ask for recognition of a state in the 1967 borders, whose capital is East Jerusalem, and which will live in peace alongside the State of Israel. The resolution will refer to the Arab peace initiative of 2002, which offered Israel normalization in the region in exchange for withdrawal to the 1967 lines, and called for a just, agreed-upon solution to the refugee issue.

This Palestinian formulation could embarrass countries such as Iran and Syria. In the UN, they will have to choose between a vote against the state of Palestine, or the conferral of recognition, of sorts, to the State of Israel in the 1967 borders.
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President Obama wants to bury the Palestinian initiative in the United Nations without having to get his hands dirty by casting a veto in the Security Council.

Как верно сказано!
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